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I find this to be a powerful video.

Even the pharma shills can not refute the info in this video; other than by calling names (which is a standard shill tactic).

This story is repeated thousands of time in the West; but the above video can't even be challenged.
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#vaccine #vaccinations #choice #injury

deathmongering Propagandabullshit
Please use arguments before phrases. Is anything in this video spoken wrong?

@Yngwio Barnable if the makers of this video would want to criticise vaccines for not being perfect and help to make them better, we could discuss, what is said in it.

But they dont want that. They dont even want to attack vaccination because they do know, that they dont stand a chance in such a fight(for very good reasons). All they want is to sell the propaganda as such to people. They even have a brand for that morsels of bullshit, they are selling.

Would you ask for arguments if that video would promote some Ponci scheme or offer some all new pill that is supposed to make men grow a bigger penis? Spam is not discussed based on what it claims.

The difference is but, that Ponci schemes and bigger penis snakeoil does not kill. Anti vaccination propaganda makes people avoid vaccination. Unvaccinated people catch deseases and spread them, people get harmed, people get disabled and they die.

For the victims of vaccination harm it's too late. So you should understand that for them there's no wish to improve vaccination, that's one aspect.

The whole vaccination industry is missing transparency. That's the main problem. That's the next aspect.
They dont even want to attack vaccination because they do know, that they dont stand a chance in such a fight(for very good reasons). All they want is to sell the propaganda as such to people. They even have a brand for that morsels of bullshit, they are selling.
That isn't understandable at all. Sounds like rhetorical garbage. Could you explain that in a better way? Who are "they". Is that propaganda? What are you doing?
Would you ask for arguments if that video would promote some Ponci scheme or offer some all new pill that is supposed to make men grow a bigger penis? Spam is not discussed based on what it claims.
Is that helpful within our conversation?
Anti vaccination propaganda makes people avoid vaccination. Unvaccinated people catch deseases and spread them, peopl
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@Yngwio Barnable
Reading your first lines I hoped, that we can indeed discuss in a rational manner, until that line:
I would prefer to get evidence for the existance of measles,
I propose as follows: you look up someone who has this severe desease in his/her house and pay a visit. Catch the pathogen and see, what it is about by yourself.

Reading your first lines I hoped, that we can indeed discuss in a rational manner, until that line:
I can imagine that you think so. In my point of view that disqualifies you. Regard that measles-lawsuit in Germany. I don't know how to find good sources in English for that.

And what's reasonable is not only your concern.
Reading your first lines I hoped, that we can indeed discuss in a rational manner, until that line:
You shouldn't behave in such a manipulating and derogative way. Thanks

You should not fall prey to perverted marketing schemes.

I've read the entire conversation. I really can't find out which arguments Hartmut Noack brings to the table. He sounds like a mother "Don't do that! Don't say that! Don't think that!" He's not treating you like an adult.

Because he or she does not behave like an adult.
She or he is like a person, who believes, that you can be a right wing radical and a star trek fan at the same time.

It would be just wrong to try to bring rational arguments if someone outright states, that a desease as common and dangerous like the measles simply does not exist.

What arguments would that be? "The measles exist, they are dangerous, vaccination prevents them."

That would be an argument for children who can speak already but have not yet learned to read.

Unfortunately you seem to be like that, just authoritative, Hartmut.
You should not fall prey to perverted marketing schemes.
Whatfor do you use that statement? Normally I use that statement for anything coming from industry and government. It would be helpful to serve with statements that refer to arguments we can deal with.

@Yngwio Barnable you do not want to find out anything. And you dont want to discuss anything. You just want consent. Consent for spreading nonsense, that kills children if people believe it.

you do not want to find out anything. And you dont want to discuss anything.
Hartmut, please stay seriously. That is nonsense. I would like to have conversations I can follow, many vaccination critics tend to become esoteric in a way what I don't like either.

But what you stated above is more than impolite. It's rude. So where is a statement we can speak about?

Very well then. @Yngwio Barnable read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles

and we may continue about the one legit point you have so far: corporate pharma is intransparent. This I agree.

@Yngwio Barnable feel free to read the scientific papers that are listed as reference under the article...

There's not a single scientific paper there, because Wikipedia does not allow scientific papers as sources. Wikipedia only allows articles as sources.

@Theaitetos (テアイテトス) call them what thou wilt.

The fact is, that:

1.) Wikipedia is peer reviewed, this works the same as good as in any other scientific document, be it an article, a memorandum or a textbook.

2.) The measles are not a controversial issue, there is only one POV in regard of them, that can be taken serious and that is the one you can read in Wikipedia.

No, Wikipedia is not peer-reviewed. It's written by anonymous/pseudonymous people, not by transparent scientists.

Wikipedia is a mirror of mainstream (media) sources, nothing else.

1) wikipedia is not peer reviewed. It is controlled by sceptics. It was installed to controll public opinion. And therefor in many aspects not trustworthy and unreliable.

Peer reviewed 🙁, Even in science peer review regularly fails.

2) Ah, you want to get authoritative.. But that's nonsense. POV is POV and if you regard that as serious and me estimating that as bullshit is unimportant. Still there is no reasonable argument. To say look there, look there is like commanding and directing but not using something useful as argument.

@ Theaitetos (テアイテトス)

That's not perfectly true: the German wikipedia article contains one link to a Lancet article, which contains links to researches. Only to proove your claim I opened wikipedia. I detest it for its whole manipulative and authoritative attitude towards people. I detest it. It's like putting ones hand into a used toilet. It's hard to get rid of the smell.

Its not scientists, who are "authoritative", ist the reality in their findings.

The latter are, indeed a very strong authority. I recommend not to ignore them.

1.) Wikipedia is peer reviewed,
This has to be a joke.

You have thousands of duped #NPCs updating away each and every night with mainstream pro-pharma propaganda crap. Versus unlikely once-in-a-while checks by actual scientists.

We have these dupes on Diaspora; proudly claiming to be 'Wikipedia Editors'.

Wikipedia IS NOT a trusted source.
NOR IS Snopes (to save you a step).
#NPCs

This is where you fail (bigly) @Hartmut Noack from (cough) #pluspora -- a well known source of this pro-pharma baloney.

You do not understand,
or do NOT WANT to understand,
or simply can not understand
Technocrachy.

Here.
I spent the two minutes researching that you should have and found it explained.

#Technocracy
Now, please stop coming off as an uninformed, fully unaware , dupe.

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@prep indeed you could find out in a few minutes, that all your assumptions are just that: assumptions.

But you do not want to and giving you hints, where to begin finding out is a waste of time.

Its not scientists, who are “authoritative”, ist the reality in their findings.
That claim is bullshit and you know it, Hartmut. It is a vulgar slogan useful for people who don't reflect.
But you do not want to and giving you hints, where to begin finding out is a waste of time.
You shouldn't judge upon people. That is very bad manner. And still you didn't say anything reasonable, nothing worthful to reflect about so far.

Bang.

Plusporan (and associated crap) is blocked.

The #dumbass was doing the same thing on a pro-5G thread.

These cats are dangerous.

Hartmut, you're a typical sceptic.

So let's get detailed:

You started this conversation with this claim:
I really dearly hope, that that deathmongering Propagandabullshit will disappeare before long. And it woul be nice, when its makers would be sued for it by those people, who are affected by the harm, that weakening vaccination does.
In this video you see a young couple thinking the reason for the suddenly occured autistic syndrom is the vaccination very short time before.

Did you deal in any sense seriously with this video? Not at all, you started with stupid insults.
You have not offered any argument at all so far, @Yngwio Barnable that makes me remember the Stalinist Partysecretaries I had to deal with in my youth in east germany: you exactly talk like them.
I don't need any argument because there's no argument from. What you deliver are claims like that
@Yngwio Barnable that makes me remember the Stalinist Partysecretaries I had to deal with in my youth in east germany: you exactly talk like them.
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Ah, Hartmut withdrew a comment ;). Sad.

@prep@share.naturalnews.com: I don't understand your last comment.

Yngwio Barnable - about 2 hours ago
prep@share.naturalnews.com: I don’t understand your last comment.
The Hartmut character was not listening.
Was not learning.
Was not reading information provided.
Had nothing to offer, other than nay-saying.
(and was boring). Just filling this thread with mainstream-is-right, scientists are always right, #pharma propagandist crap -- of which 95% of people om #pluspora [which are people who were booted as the mainstream-news-only Google's Google+ fails] sound exactly like.

They DEFINE the #NPC meme so often spoken of.

They are egotistical; self-aggrandizing; and UNAWARE.

I blocked him.

I understand you and it's relaxing.

Yes, unfortunately there are too much of those people.

I'll look for this person, thanks for that hint.

I'm just reading this article from

https://vaxopedia.org/2017/07/30/who-is-tetyana-obukhanych/

It's interesting that they critisize vaccination opponents for using fear as helping argument against vaccination. They do the same defending vaccination, I think even in a bigger extent.

It’s interesting that they critisize vaccination opponents for using fear
ha ha! yes! We have a saying in English: "the pot calling the kettle black" (when the pot is black as well).

Nice proverb 😀. Sometimes I'm sad that I can't hide my German origin. I'll memorize this saying 😀.

Sometimes I’m sad that I can’t hide my German origin.
I wouldn't be sad about it. I'd be proud that I could speak more than one language.

I was making good progress on learning Maori, but it's hard when you have no one to practice with regularly....Spanish is on my list....

Spanish is fine, yo no hablo espanol ;). I learned a little bit for two years but lost most of it. I'm 49 now and I won't die before I read read Don Quixote in it's original language 😀)).

Guess Maori is a challenge 😀, would be interesting. I thought of Chinese but I won't do, it's too difficult.

Sometimes I’m sad that I can’t hide my German origin.

I wouldn’t be sad about it. I’d be proud that I could speak more than one language.

Absolutely seconded.

And while the world tries to beat down the Germans -- you have a rich and proud heritage, in large measure.

PLUS -- there is nothing like the fine lines on German machinery.




ps
If you find one of those in a shed somewhere, contact me to buy it.

The richness of the things you must know, having learned more than one language- language is the key to culture.

Jealous.

Interestingly, I'd say the richest thing to know -- would be to know to turn off the TV and ignore the mainstream propaganda.

But Spanish/Maori is swell too.

Here on diaspora there are many persons I envy either for their abilities 😀. And yes, it's nice to have conversations throughout the whole world 😀.

@ prep@share.naturalnews.com I hardly look for those things. I'm more for things/persons like Catweazle 😀.

two more dead babies these vaccines are very dangerous and those that administer them are murderers
Nurse vaccinates 1-year old behind mother’s back, baby dies instantly
#VaccineScam
https://australiannationalreview.com/2018/07/10/nurse-vaccinates-1-year-old-behind-mothers-back-baby-dies-instantly/

I think that a large percentage of SIDS deaths (babies that just die in the night); that doctors have blamed on parents having the kids sleep face down, etc -- are ALSO the result of vaccines.

And I think there is a host of horrors to come in the future, from today's kids that are MUCH more heavily vaccinated.

...and with an all new "lower lifespan" to boot.

funny they mention "influenza" as one of the reasons people aren't living as long. Everyone I know who got their flu shot this year......got the flu.

I would prefer to get evidence for the existance of measles,
Here I have stopped reading - no further comment.

no choice in the deathcult world

Here I have stopped reading - no further comment.
If it is like that why did you mention it?

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Here I have stopped reading - no further comment.

If it is like that why did you mention it?


It is called Virtue Signaling Yngwio.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Virtue%20Signalling
It is also known as a way to let all of the other #SJW #NPCs (blue-pill folks) know that you are on the scene.

These are the pathetic foot-solders of the #pharma #technocracy.

Preppie 😀, for those things I'm too old. It's a conversation style, in a way too stupid, not using any argument.

I've a statement from a professor for microbiology where he admits that not for every assumed knowledge clear and sure evidence exists. Many things are consensual, e.g. the measles