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So what is a true competitor to Signal that I can get my gran to use? Riot?

The arguments put on Signal aren't really good points and I have seen good discussions from r/Privacy. He is also putting Signal as if it's the one and only solution we need. The thing he missed is that there were other forks that worked like CopperheadOS' version of Signal but later on the team suggested Signal. I have also seen desktop like apps before but unfortunately I haven't saved their links. What's even odd is the alternatives he suggeted:
P.S. If you’re looking for good alternatives to Signal, I can recommend Matrix or Tox.
Those aren't good alternatives, most people aren't technically knowledgable as to how to put Matrix into their own servers. People are then "forced" to use Riot instead, still relying on other people's servers which isn't a real solution to Signal as Matrix/Riot doesn't have default E2EE. Tox is also still in the stage of experiment which again is not a good solution. I would rather suggest Briar as an alternative, also Ricochet, RetroShare and XMPP using OTR or OMEMO (clients like Conversations or any other client) which is federated.

But Briar doesn't work over the internet does it? At least when I tried a while ago it would only work over WiFi phone2phone

@gigatrux, the app is only for Android and can work on internet as well but you have to add contacts in person through scanning each others QR codes.

Also, Richchet and Retroshare seem to rely on the Tor network. Does this mean you can't communicate with contacts when they are offline? Retroshare looks complicated to me and my gran would throw it out the window within 5 minutes. Signal, like WhatsApp, is simple and that is why they are successful. So, I guess the question is whether we can have security, privacy and simplicity all in one app? How is it that someone has not come up with the ideal solution? Is it because it's just too complicated?

@gigatrux, yes Ricochet do rely on Tor but not RetroShare, it's only an option. I believe both can message while other contact is offline. RetroShare has a lot of features, I think that's make it look a bit complicated but after few uses, it won't be that difficult.

I think we can't really have a complete all-in-one app which at the same time is cross-platform in terms of having security, privacy and simplicity. Certain OS' like iOS won't allow a lot of functionalities like how it does for Android, also what could complicate things, e.g. if it's going to be decentralized. Hence some make specific client apps to certain devices or OS', again with some compromises, like maybe leaving some functionalities or features. There is one that looks very promising Jami (formerly called Ring).

Very interesting. The Briar manual says that messages get delivered to offline users when they are back online.
The concept of having to meet your contacts is quite robust from a security perspective. I guess there is no roadmap on the website so I wonder if things such as audio and video calls will eventually be included so that it becomes a well rounded app. Maybe the slowness of Tor would never make this a real prospect ...